PBS Newshour 7/19/2011
Excerpts from transcript
DEWI FORTUNA ANWAR, deputy chief in the office of the Vice President: But in the economic sector, you still have to have the capital, the connections and so on, and it is still not yet a level playing field. And some people are born with silver spoons in their mouths and others have to scrape for their living.
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RAY SUAREZ (Newshour): Over the last 15 years this country has accomplished some pretty important national goals. It’s moved from authoritarianism to democracy, with freer, fairer and more open elections. It’s put together solid years of back to back to back high levels of economic growth. But one thing Indonesia hasn’t managed to do is root out the legendary levels of corruption that discourages foreign investment and handicaps future economic growth
Sidney Jones watches Indonesia for the International Crisis Group.
SIDNEY JONES, International Crisis Group: In some ways almost because of substantial economic growth, people see income inequalities increasing and the corruption has just gotten completely out of hand. One of the concerns is that you now have a parliament that's trying to cut away at the powers of the only institutions with integrity in Indonesia. One of those is the anti-corruption commission, another one is the constitutional court here.
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SIDNEY JONES: This is one concrete example, a district head called in his minister, his local head of education and said, we need, I need you to provide x amount of money to get that. You get it any way you like, but I need you to produce that amount of money. That individual then goes to the heads of schools that he runs and says I need x amount of money in order to collect the pot of money that I have to give the candidate who appointed me to this position. Because if I don't pay he's going to transfer me somewhere else. The head of the schools then puts the, the onus on the teachers to come up with the money. The teachers then put the onus on the parents and children end up having to pay in order to graduate from one class to another or to get report cards.
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RAY SUAREZ: Indonesia has had more success in targeting terrorist violence. It has a strong track record finding, arresting, and trying religious extremists.
DEWI FORTUNA ANWAR: It is important to remember that Indonesia is probably one of the few countries that has been able to arrest a lot of terrorist activists and bring them to justice, due process of law and imprison them. Some of them have been executed. We do not have rendition. We do not have secret prisons we do not have military tribunals, everything is done properly according to due process of law.
IMAM H. ALI HANAFIA, Istiqlal Mosque: In Indonesia Islam is very tolerant of other religions. Islam doesn’t recognize violence. That might be hard for people outside of Indonesia to understand but that is Islam in Indonesia.
Side comment: In the video you can see Commissioner Umar Haryono key-in his access code to a secure area. NOT very smart of whomever edited the video.
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